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Donnerstag, 20. Mai 2004

Web Forms 2.0

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man-uel 7522 days AGO
so, is the web the COBOL of user interfaces?

i heard that COBOL didn't have procedures with parameters -- there was only global state. and this language was really used and taken seriously by a fraction of business!

now today we have this web-thing, which has roughly the interactivity and extensibility of telefax. when we want something as humble as a date-widget we have to hope for the "viewer"-manufacturers to include it in their x-mega-lines-of-code C++ codebases, because we can't implement it ourselves with reasonable effort and portability.

maybe the tomatoes on our eyes are so big we can't see them anymore.

earl 7522 days AGO
maybe we should immediately stop the multi-gadzillion-dollar IT-mess and go back to ... dunno ... zen-gardening?

man-uel 7522 days AGO
maybe :)

but a simple drawing substrate, like the mac's quickdraw or SVG would make the web much nicer. there is hope!

there's a paper about that: Don't Fidget with Widgets, Draw! citeseer.ist.psu.edu/bartlett91dont.html

chris 7522 days AGO
that there are no weird widgets to learn is an incredibly good thing for the absolute majority of users IMO. and the more important kind of interactivity isn't going on between humans and programs but humans and humans anyway, and the web does support that quite well, doesn't it?

another point not to forget is that html browsers are about the most sophisticated on-screen layout engines (flow!) ever created.

but will I cheer when mozilla fully integrates a high-quality svg renderer? for sure.

Markus Fritsche 7519 days AGO

i heard that COBOL didn't have procedures with parameters -- there was only global state. and this language was really used and taken seriously by a fraction of business!

Don't use past here.

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